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Honor the Lord with your wealth
and with the firstfruits of all your produce;
then your barns will be filled with plenty,
and your vats will be bursting with wine.
Proverbs 3:9-10
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How does this work?I do futures day trading through what are called proprietary trading firms (more details in FAQ below if you want). All this means is that I pay to buy accounts at these firms and trade with THEIR money, greatly limiting my risk. The goal is simple: Make money trading and hit a target amount to earn a payout from these firms before you hit the maximum loss limit. Each prop firm also has their own set of rules that you must follow that can add to this challenge. Most prop firms allow you to have multiple accounts - anywhere between 3 and 20. Very briefly put, I have developed a trading system backed by statistics that virtually guarantees payouts on at least SOME of these accounts (more details in FAQ below if you want). The whole process works off of the mathematical concept called expected value (EV). If you're familiar with pro poker, for example, then you may have heard this term. Again very briefly, this just means that the small amount I am spending on each prop firm account gives a calculated certain chance at a much larger payout, meaning that I am statistically guaranteed to make profit over time. And I have made a lot of money off of this. So why am I talking to you about this? Glad you asked. Click the next question 😉
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Exactly what all is required of me?So where do you fit in with this? Since each person can only have a max number of accounts with a firm (usually 20), and I'm already trading my max, I need you to sign up and buy accounts with these firms to allow us to expand our earning capability. While I do all the work and cover all costs, here's exactly everything that I'll need from you: Create a user account with the prop firm(s). Takes about 2 minutes, one-time thing. Very informal. Use a shared Gmail address that I'll create for us for all things related to trading and this partnership. Buy accounts from prop firm(s) with money I send you. Takes about 2 mins every couple of weeks. Setup the loaner laptop I give you, and keep it powered on and connected to the internet at all times. I will log in remotely to do the trading. Provide me with a pic of your ID and proof of residency (e.g. utility bill) that I can attach when submitting payout requests. That's it. I do all the trading and other day-to-day for you.
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How much can I make?Somewhere between $0 - $30,000 per month just starting out. It will vary depending on the success I have trading, but I can tell you that the statistical average is $12,000/mo. And yes, this is fully your cut to keep. This can be easily doubled by setting up an LLC for you, which takes 15 mins online and $300 in TN (I'll do this for you and cover the cost). Also, this is from just 1 prop firm that I'm currently working with. Keep in mind that there may be opportunities for us to expand to other prop firms as well.
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Can I lose money doing this with you? What will it cost me?No, you cannot lose money. The worst that can happen is that I have a terrible time trading and lose all accounts (i.e. zero payouts achieved). This is extremely statistically unlikely to happen. It will cost you nothing out of pocket. I cover all account purchases, fees, laptop, taxes, etc - EVERYTHING that you need which costs money will be paid for by me upfront.
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Sounds too good to be true... What are the downsides of doing this?For the record, I completely agree. It definitely seems too good to be true, and God has blessed me with life-changing money from this in a short amount of time. Yet miraculously, it isn't... Truthfully, there are no downsides to you at all. Nothing hidden here - no ulterior motives. However, I want to make one thing very clear and make sure expectations are properly set: I HAVE NO IDEA HOW LONG THIS WILL LAST! It could be gone in 2 weeks, or, we could still be doing this in 2 years. Prop firms may change their rules. They may arbitrarily decide to cut us off for making too many payouts. They may go bankrupt. New trade regulations may be enacted that would prevent this. Who knows? The point is that time is always going to be against us here, so it is absolutely always best to strike while the iron is hot with this trading system. Speed is favorable. Milk it while we can.
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Is this legal AND ethical?Yes, 100% yes. Prop firm trading is very popular and fully legal. There are 300-400 of them worldwide. Furthermore, let me first say that I would not be doing this personally if there was even a hint of unethical impropriety. Doing this will full integrity is of the utmost importance to me. God does not bless sinful behavior and sinful behavior does not honor the God who has so graciously given to me. I have researched these companies' Terms & Conditions, and will only be trading accounts for you with prop firms that I have verified do not explicitly prohibit someone else trading for you. Many forbid this, but some don't. Please know that I will not compromise on this, and I will tell you now: If rules ever change and this becomes remotely questionable from an ethics standpoint, I will shut it down. Be prepared for that possibility, because I'm dead serious about that - for both our sakes.
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Can I tell other people about this?I am only sharing this with very close friends and family. In fact, if you're reading this, you are probably 1 of maybe 3-5 total people who I've offered this to. I'd prefer that we keep this on the down-low, but no, it does not have to be a total secret. Please just be careful and choosey about who you talk to about this. If there is someone that you'd like to bring into this, so that they can make money also, let's decide on that together before any details are shared with them. Make sense?
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What is a prop trading firm?A proprietary trading firm is a company that allows you to trade using a funded trading account(s) for an upfront purchase cost. Essentially, you are buying into the company's trading capital and paying for the right to trade their money. These have been around for about 50 years now, and allow traders access to pools of capital that they would otherwise not be able to afford using a self-funded trading account. For example, at one firm, a trader might pay $600 for an account with $150,000 of buying power. With this account, if the trader is able to hit a profit target of $5,000 by trading that $150K account, then they get to keep that $5,000 that they made. Sounds too good to be true, right? Well, this account that they've purchased also comes with a loss (or "drawdown") limit that they cannot hit, or else the account is blown. Often times, it's a much smaller limit than the profit target - maybe around $2000 in this example. Additionally, they must also abide by that firm's other trading rules. The benefit to trading this way is that you are limiting your max loss on the account to the small purchase price ($600), whereas with a self-funded account, you could easily blow your own $150K entirely. Hitting the $2000 drawdown limit and blowing the firm's account sucks because you don't get a payout for your $600 purchase, but it sure beats catastrophic 6-figure losses that you could take on your own money from bad trades.
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How do you know you'll make money for us to share?Simply put: Because I trust the math behind it. This systematic approach that I use completely eliminates the need for discretionary trades, emotions, other weird trading concepts, etc. Yes, I will blow accounts, and often. It's statistically inevitable. However, because there is a mathematically positive EV, the beauty of it is that it's also statistically inevitable that I will make money (and many times over my initial account purchase cost). So, this makes losing accounts just part of the process and allows for very low stress trading! Want to know how the sausage is made? Click the next question for a deeper dive into the math.
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Prove it! Show me the math behind what you're doing to make money.This is a little advanced, especially for someone not familiar with trading, but I'm happy to spell it all out. Nothing to hide or confuse anyone with here! So OK, using real numbers from one of the prop firms that I'm currently trading through, let's run through an expected value (EV) calculation for 1 account: The account costs $350 to purchase. In order to get a payout, you must hit a $7500 profit target. Once you hit this target, you can request to be paid your $7500 from the firm. The max drawdown limit happens to also be -$7500. If you hit this, the account is blown and dead. In order to follow some of the other trading rules of this firm (I won't bog you down in the weeds), a trader must make $1500 - or 20% of target - per day in the markets. In trader-speak, we do this buy trading 10 contracts of the NASDAQ futures market (AKA "NQ"), and we need to make 30 ticks of profit. Don't worry if you don't know exactly what this means. Just know that each tick of a 10 contract NQ trade is worth $50, so this 30 tick goal provides us with our $1500 daily profit needed. Now, on the downside, as mentioned above, we can only lose -$7500 before our account is blown. Since each tick is worth $50 in our trade, that gives us $7500 / $50 = 150 ticks of "breathing room" before our account is dead. So, given what we've established above, we are taking a daily trade of 150:30 tick risk vs. reward ratio (or R:R). The expected win rate of this R:R can be calculated as follows: 150 / 180 = 0.8333. This means that, statistically, we can expect to win 83.33% of these trades over time. If each daily trade has a 83.33% chance of winning, and we must do these 150:30 trades (each worth $1500 each) 5 days in order to hit our $7500 payout target, we can calculate the odds of this being successful as: 0.8333 ^ 5 = 0.4019. This means that we have a 40.19% chance for every account we bought to stay alive for 5 days of trading and successfully hit the payout target of $7500. Finally, our overall EV here is calculated by multiplying our "odds of winning" by our expected payout amount, so: 0.4019 win odds * ($7500 payout - $350 initial purchase cost) = $2874. TLDR; we are spending $350 to make a statistical average of $2874. Keep in mind that this is also per account. Obviously, this is an insanely positive EV, and exactly how we know that we will make money from this - and a lot of it!
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If this is such a sure thing, why doesn't everyone do it and make lots of money?Really great question. There is a long conversation that we could have about this (and let's have it some time!), but it basically boils down to a few things: First of all, it's insane how incredibly scummy and screwed up the day trading world has gotten. There are so many fake gurus selling fake information, courses, and false hope on YouTube, TikTok, etc that the vast majority of retail (i.e. non-pro, at-home) traders now spend their entire trading careers chasing lies and "strategies" that will never earn them a dollar. I also believe there is an element of people being so wrapped up in this nasty landscape of day trading that they miss incredibly simple things like what I'm doing here. They believe that trading is discretionary - or talent and feelings based - rather than looking for mathematical edge like my friends and I have uncovered here. Also, it is emotionally hard and psychologically painful when you blow accounts, even if they are just prop firm purchases. The anxiety can be overwhelming, especially when you're buying account after account and blowing them in a few days one after another. So, naturally, the idea of trading a system like mine where you KNOW you're going to lose accounts is difficult for most people to stomach. But again, the beauty of this system is the known, calculated EV that we can rely on. It's a statistical certainty that we'll make money, so blowing accounts just doesn't have the same negative mental effects! It really does boil down to just trusting the math, even when you go through a bad spell and your emotions are frayed; and this is very hard for most people to do.
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Let's talk brass tacks. How is each payout split between us?For each individual payout that I'm able to reach: You keep a hard 20% of the payout amount no matter what. You also keep the amount needed to cover your tax obligation for your payout from the prop firm (more details on taxes below in FAQ). I will calculate this for you each time, don't worry. I get whatever is leftover after that.
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How do I get paid?After I request for you from our shared email address on any "winner" accounts that are ready for a payout, you will get paid directly from the prop firm since you are their customer here. They will wire the money to your bank account (and some do Bitcoin payments if you'd prefer a crypto payout).
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How do you get paid?You will pay me my cut from your bank account that received the payout. Paypal, Zelle, ACH, Wire, Venmo(?), CashApp(?), etc etc - whatever works best for you.
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How long do payouts take to get?The norm is to start receiving payouts within about 1 month of me starting to trade for you. It will take 5 - 10 weekdays for me to get an account ready and make a request for a payout, then another 5 - 15 business days to actually get the money deposited into your bank account. Once the process starts rolling, it's very typical to receive payouts at least weekly, as they become staggered as I trade the accounts to target.
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How are taxes handled with all of this?Good question, we don't want anyone going to jail here 😋 Yes, you are responsible for paying taxes on all prop firm payouts that you get. You are technically a subcontractor for the prop firm(s), and they will send you a 1099 at the end of the year. So, unfortunately, you're on the hook for paying self-employment AND income taxes on this amount. But don't worry, it's really not that complicated. As mentioned in the payout split question above, we will be leaving money from each payout in your bank account to make sure that the tax obligation is covered. I'll do the math for you and let you know how much to leave in there each time. Now, what you do with that money from there is between you and the IRS, but I'll make sure you're not setup for trouble come April 15. Lastly, the money you send to me is categorized as a gift. This is not taxable to either party. You are able to give someone $18,000 each year in tax-free gifts. If you go over $18,000, then the difference simply comes out of your $13,610,000 lifetime tax-free gifting limit. So, if you happen to send me over $18,000 in one year, then you'll need to file a Form 709 with your taxes to just let the IRS know to deduct the overage from your $13 million lifetime limit. Simple as that.
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You mentioned setting up an LLC above. Why do this?First of all, this is completely optional. Once we get you off the ground, we can discuss getting this done in the future to expand. Most firms allow you to trade a max number of accounts as an individual, and another set of the max accounts under an LLC entity. For example, the primary one I am trade with right now allows 20 personal accounts and 20 more accounts under an LLC. So, this is a relatively easy additional step that allows you to double your payouts income. The only real extra thing you would need to do is setup a business checking account somewhere once your LLC is established.
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Can you teach me how to do this all on my own?Yes, and there are many opportunities to expand your income potential by doing this on your own. For example, many other prop firms can be traded (i.e. the ones that don't allow trading for other people). I would ask for a 50/50 split of all of your payouts as I coach you through your first year. After that, you're free to expand at will and keep everything you make. If you're interested in learning how to trade these accounts on your own, let me know and we can discuss how to move forward with some setup, training, and ongoing coaching.
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